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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: ocfan_1 on July 21, 2011, 09:41 pm
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Just want to keep this guy's name on the top of the "stay away from" pile. He is still on SR and it does not seem like there is any way to get him off. Read this and other threads before placing an order with him!
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Is there a way that we can all do some petition or something and send it to SR. Maybe if enough people send them a message they will remove him. It is really in their best interest to get rid of him. It diminishes the value of the marketplace. If people keep getting scammed on here, it will only keep people away from using this site and therefore, less money for SR. Seems like a no brainer to me, not sure why they haven't pulled the trigger.
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Yes salad, start a thread(Tumor Mill) I'll sticky when I see it, the OP can arrange the list on first post as they come in, when you think the list is long enough...PM SR the LIST and Thread link.
Or we can Use one if the current Barry Sneaky threads just let me know which one and I will sticky it.
"Open letter to Silk Road Admin: the removal of Barry Sneaky, how to ??? "...just to catch others up.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=1188.0
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We've *been* telling them. I'm just guessing, but maybe the figure it's not their business to sort out the scammers from the legit sellers. Lately I've also noticed people confusing the 'didn't deliver' from the scammers, and I think that takes the heat off of BS. A ripoff is when a sellers talks a buyer into bypassing proxy, and have them send WU or some other forum of transferable money. That is what this is. If we confuse the issue, which I see happening, SR will not understand what the big deal is: proxy protects people. I've never been *ripped off* here, because I've never lost money. I have gotten severely pissed off when a couple of sellers didn't deliver, but because I was on the forums from the beginning, I knew better than to buy from BS.
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As far as I'm concerned this is the Petition thread and we are at 3 and counting! :-\
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I hope BS is removed, for all the reasons mentioned. But many of us are supporting this just based on hearsay. Probably should do a petitiion to see how many people have actually been ripped--lost money--and how many are just supporting this removal because of what they read. If not, petitions could be started maliciously. (by LE, by bad sellers, by vindictive buyer--I don't want newbies coming on here and starting petitions to remove people until I know who *they* are)
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Do scammers ever have buyers bypass proxy and send bitcoins? I would think if they are anon as everyone claims scammers would prefer this way since the city/area the seller has to pick up the money is unknown.
This is another good thread about Barry:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=1188.0;topicseen
A ripoff is when a sellers talks a buyer into bypassing proxy, and have them send WU or some other forum of transferable money.
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I absolutely want Barry Sneaky removed from the listings.
I encourage *every person* who placed an order with him and was asked to bypass escrow to add your name to this list.
In my experience, scammers who generally rely on WU (because hey, once you pick up that cash, you're gone!) have a whole crew of unemployed-during-the-daytime helpers (read: strippers, welfare moms, crack ho's) and they use their ID and names to have the money sent. Splitting off *maybe* $20 to the receiver for their help . And they don't want to be in there on CCTV every day, at multiple locations, picking up money, even with fake ID.
Now BTC allows them to do the same thing, since a BTC wallet has no identity. And can be changed faster than Charlie Sheen changes condoms.
C'mon SR forums community, lets flash mob this thread and get Barry off the seller listings in the next 24 hours!!!
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I have also sent a private message to SR about this, hopefully it will help. I think that it is absolutely SR's job to sort out the scammers. It makes their marketplace loose credit if they don't. If it was my website, I would want to get rid of the scammers to keep my product legit and make sure buyers feel comfortable on here.
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I don't understand, what would be more likely for a scammer to use, WU or bitcoin. I hear WU puts the seller at more risk than bitcoin does this mean WU puts a scammer at more risk than BItcoin?
I absolutely want Barry Sneaky removed from the listings.
I encourage *every person* who placed an order with him and was asked to bypass escrow to add your name to this list.
In my experience, scammers who generally rely on WU (because hey, once you pick up that cash, you're gone!) have a whole crew of unemployed-during-the-daytime helpers (read: strippers, welfare moms, crack ho's) and they use their ID and names to have the money sent. Splitting off *maybe* $20 to the receiver for their help . And they don't want to be in there on CCTV every day, at multiple locations, picking up money, even with fake ID.
Now BTC allows them to do the same thing, since a BTC wallet has no identity. And can be changed faster than Charlie Sheen changes condoms.
C'mon SR forums community, lets flash mob this thread and get Barry off the seller listings in the next 24 hours!!!
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I don't understand, what would be more likely for a scammer to use, WU or bitcoin. I hear WU puts the seller at more risk than bitcoin does this mean WU puts a scammer at more risk than Bitcoin?
I'm sure that's just a matter of *what type* of scammer they are.
The most common scammer type is like a street hustler: he's going to want to grab up all he can, as quick as he can and skedaddle. He needs cash for things like, oh I don't know, gas for his jacked up 86' Monte Carlo, Zithromax for his ho's, Ed Hardy t-shirts, food stamps he buys at a discount, court-ordered child support for 9 kids by 4 different baby mamas. Also a lot of times they just have a huge habit that they want to support.
Jokes aside: cash is still cash. If it's not their face on CCTV and fingerprints on the paper, they don't mind someone going in to pick it up. Scamming for BTC is good for getting SR stuff for yourself and BTC is useful in other ways, for other things, but the person who wants a fuckton of BTC probably has bigger ideas than scamming on SR. 8)
The biggest BTC scammers are *not*, I believe, coming on SR doing the out of escrow or finalize early scams. They're the guys who are breaking into Mt. Gox, hacking SR, hacking other places that SR's buyers might use the same name and password, hacking the BTC mining pool servers, etc.
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Do scammers ever have buyers bypass proxy and send bitcoins? I would think if they are anon as everyone claims scammers would prefer this way since the city/area the seller has to pick up the money is unknown.
This is another good thread about Barry:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=1188.0;topicseen
Good point: I don't really know. It seems like they would, and the they could even do it within SR, u know, just talk buyer into sending btc directly, so it seems legit. The only ways I've bypassed proxy was just by 'finalizing' early, with sellers who I trust,and then they still get feedback....I think it's good idea if people have actually gotten ripped off post their experiences. I fear tho, that we won't hear about a lot of them. It seems most people, once they get on forums, and read a few threads, would know better than to be scammed this way. I pretty much stick to tried and true as so far it's been working...just use escrow until I feel comfortable with seller, and then I can lift it. But I'm pretty small time, and don't have as much at stake.
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i'll have him whacked for 50BTC.
IN ESCROW OF COURSE.
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BarrySneaky
has been a member for 1 month
was last seen: today
ranked #282 out of 282 sellers with 100% positive feedback from 12 transactions
SR profile: BarrySneaky
http://ianxz6zefk72ulzz.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/17887
Also no PGP. >.>
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Thanks for linking his profile. I kept hearing about Barry on these forums, but never saw him in the store. Guess it's because he's listed in the Opioids section (I only hang out in Weed section). :P
Also no PGP. >.>
He also doesn't even have a description on his profile page atleast. ???
Wonder why he is still not banned though?
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Well this is the thread to express why you think he should be banned.
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Well this is the thread to express why you think he should be banned.
He should be banned because all he does is scam people. This is bad for everyone.
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i don't think banning him really matters. if barry is banned he can just sign up again, fake a few transactions, and be back in business. i vote for the work SR has been doing on making ratings better. if barry can't get good ratings then he won't be able to scam many people. maybe they can provide some additional tuning to downgrade ratings for people like him with only isolated good ratings from people that don't rate anyone else.
he's so brazen in how he approaches things that most people aren't going to fall for the scam. he's apparently making enough to keep after it, and that's bad, but only people that choose to cut out escrow are going to get scammed. maybe he's the SR poster child for why people shouldn't bypass escrow.
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i don't think banning him really matters. if barry is banned he can just sign up again, fake a few transactions, and be back in business.
Just ban his IP address.
LOL J/K!! ;D
Nah, I think the solution is to raise awareness of the forums. I linked the forums in my seller descriptions, saying I encourage everyone to visit regularly to avoid getting scammed or caught.
With threads like this stickied, it should be pretty easy for buyers to quickly find out if their seller is to be trusted.
It would also help if there was some way of discovering that the same person is making transactions between multiple accounts (eg. 'buying' their own wares in order to leave themselves good feedback). Unfortunately, I don't think there is any way of stopping this, is there?
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But if he did get banned it would cost him to come back. It could get very expensive for him...Especially if we catch on to his new name(s) quickly...
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+1
I'm sure SR admin is as interested in this as we are....lets wait for him to step in. Nomad will be in touch as always
~B
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i unfortunately have been scammed by BS...... i know i shouldnt have gone outside of the escrow but ive had success on other sites with direct pay and figured it was a chance worth taking. He was quick with a reply and said he would have it out the next day. Didnt hear back from him for a couple of days so i sent a message to see if he sent it, he said it was on the way. Spent 4 days at the location waiting nothing showed. I sent another message letting him know that nothing showed , he replied and said he had been doing well on SR and another vendor site and would send another package. So once again a week at the location and nothing shows . So i sent another message to let him know of the situation. The message i got back accused me of lying and he went on to say that i was trying to get one over on him and i was enjoying his product like many others on this site. I have no reason to lie about receiving anything and was really looking forward to using the product but he decided to enjoy my money instead. Shame on me for going outside of the escrow. Id like to thank SR for using the escrow and providing people like me a place to obtain things that arent easily found in my area. I definitely will not be going outside of the escrow feature here ever again. I do read the forums but i guess i must have just missed what would have saved me the 70 bucks.
LESSON LEARNED
Dr. K
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Dr. Kissinger's story sounds a lot like mine. With me he said he was doing well and would send out another package. The difference is, with me, he said that he thinks my address has been compromised. And to give him a new address to send to. I have all his emails which I am saving.
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Yes. Please have that listing removed. I was ripped off. With the forum not up at the time, i went completely off his feedback, and lost a good bit. This was a completely rookie mistake on my part, naive and being relatively new to SR, I should have known better.
I just hope others see this thread before falling for his shit. Since then I have been very apprehensive about using SR. Thank you to all the honest sellers out there!
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I just personally sent this thread to Silk Road and now it's up to him to decide what to do with this guy.
His user name is so obvious in my opinion...Barry Sneaky.@_@
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I have to say that in my experiences so far with SR, this is the singular disappointment.
I know I pm'd SR. How many other people did? We know he reads the forums and even replies to some of the threads.
Why has this one been simply ignored?
@nomad-I don't think any first time scammer would have the balls to name themselves "Barry Sneaky". I guess it has some lurid appeal to the very youngest buyers who come on SR and that's probably why he chose it. The buyers get the chance to be "in" on the joke...not realizing they are the butt of it and get to pay for it.
Maybe we should take up a collection to have a hacker detonate a virtual hydrogen bomb inside Barry's computer? An unrecoverable loss of his BTC wallet would be the only true justice that could ever be meted out on this guy. The article about the 25,000 BTC theft shows that a very skilled person could backtrack him unless he's been using one time addys for every transaction. Or other fingerprints he might have left someplace. I'm not a techie, I can't speak to those issues.
Hell, I'll start. I'm in for one BTC. Maybe you'd like to start a new thread "Smash the Scammer Fund: Barry Sneaky"? A hundred people is $1400. Not bad if someone was really good at sniffing around the net. Collections on pledges is pretty easy since they'd all be posted in the forum. I'd like to see his logs posted like that poor schlub the "splooshy" guy...only this guy fucking *deserves* it.
(just had a thought: maybe it's *not* being ignored. maybe SR is "investigating" this guy right now and that's why there's never any replies?
It makes more sense than SR just ignoring this one obvious scammer all together. It's *very* uncharacteristic for him to be totally unresponsive. Let Barry paranoid-ly ponder that predicament.)
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LOL you make that thread not me....:P
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I'm in for a btc for the "smash the scammer fund: Barrysneaky"!
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My 1 BTC will make it 3!
Also vortexmilkman and GoldIsMoney.
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Ok, we got sort of a sideline bet on this. Someone please , HONESTLY answer this:
Does Barry and Illy accept Western Union to PA?
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Ok, we got sort of a sideline bet on this. Someone please , HONESTLY answer this:
Does Barry and Illy accept Western Union to PA?
Facepalm.
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Ok, we got sort of a sideline bet on this. Someone please , HONESTLY answer this:
Does Barry and Illy accept Western Union to PA?
Facepalm.
If they were the same person that would definitely be a worthy cause for lost funds.
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all they can do is suspend his account. he will come back, but it will cost him. SR needs to put a probation on new seller accounts like ebay does. IE: you can only sell a couple tmes if you're new member. if you get + feedback then you can list more..... if not then acct. suspended
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I just noticed that Barrysneaky is gone. So, yea, they must have cleaned house on sellers... It's ironic how i just posted a long post saying how BS is allowed to operate. Then I check and find out hes gone...
YEA!!!
Thanks SR. I would like to know who the other sellers that were let go, too...
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I just personally sent this thread to Silk Road and now it's up to him to decide what to do with this guy.
His user name is so obvious in my opinion...Barry Sneaky.@_@
Thank everyone in this thread that sent PM's to SR too, we have done what we set out to do. :D
Un Sticky or Lock Thread????? Community choice!
:D
nomad bloodbath
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Official word from SR is he's gone. :D
Unsticking thread.
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Thanks to everyone that spoke up to get this sorted out! It sucks I was silly enough to take a loss from him, but at least other new comers are safe for now.
It seems we need to be vigilant as a community and police ourselves. It's the exact security and privacy that we rely on, that they use against us. I mean, he was posting his own feedback and all!
Thank you to all the legit vendors who communicate with users and encourage us to post reviews of your products/services on the forums.
Lesson learned. Thanks again and please keep an eye out for scammers, or worse, leos!
DSB
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Yes we took very good care of him.